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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #300 on: Feb 16, 2004 at 08:01 AM »
You know, New York film students and critics--they still don't get it. They've heard of Brocka, but how many have heard of Mike de Leon, Gerry de Leon, Celso Ad. Castillo, Raymond Red, Lav Diaz, Mario O'Hara?

Believe it or not, these people are better known--not much, but a hell of a lot better than in New York--in Europe.  The French actually go out of their way to look for Asian films, and a few of them--Pierre Rissent, and recently Max Tessier--are quite knowledgeable about local films.

New York is overrated. Give me Paris, Berlin, Venice, Rome, Tokyo, Prague anytime. Even the Czechs are far more knowledgeable about film.

It just ticked me off whoever that was that asked that.  We're a third world country--hello?  Embarassed you too, he did.



I guess the problem is that these New York film students are not aware of the works of other notable Filipino Filmmakers. They're more acquainted with the works of Lino Brocka more than any other director. I just wish that someday they will hold a retrospective of the works of other filmmakers such as Mario O'Hara & Mike de Leon. In 2000 they screened quite a handful of newer filipino films at the Walter Reade Theater which included Pila Balde by Jeffrey Jeturian, Hubad sa Ilalim ng Buwan & Kriminal ng Baryo Concepcion by Lav Diaz, Gerry de Leon's Moises Padilla Story & Sanda Wong, Babae sa Bubungang Lata by Mario O'Hara & of course Joel Lamangan's Bulaklak ng Maynila & Sidhi with Nora Aunor. Most of the screenings were packed with moviegoers. This introduced them to these new batch of Filipino Filmmakers. The audience even gave Hubad, Bubungang Lata, Bulaklak, Sidhi & Moises Padilla standing ovation. There's a much bigger demand for filipino movies here in the East Coast nowadays. I just hope they'll be screening better films than American Adobo, Crying Ladies & Milan.  :)

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #301 on: Feb 16, 2004 at 11:39 AM »
New Yorkers have several irritating tendencies, one of which is to pick one filmmaker to represent that country and forget the rest--so the Philippines has Lino Brocka and no one else; India has Satiyajit Ray and no one else (Pauline Kael was guilty of this herself); Japan has three--Kurosawa, Mizoguchi, Ozu, and no one else.

Another sin they are guilty of is thinking their city is the tip of god's nose.  Let em stand in front of the Banaue Rice Terraces, I'll show em god's nose...

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #302 on: Feb 16, 2004 at 01:48 PM »
So, what do you think of the film? Did you like it? Was Beloved different from the other komiks based movies of the '80's?

Well, to begin with, it's a Viva movie, hence the gloss and lavish production design. I wouldn't really say that its any different or or distinctive compared to other komiks based movies typical of the eighties but I guess its entertaining fair and you'll want watch it for the cast. For some reason, my favorite komiks based movie is Babangon ako't  Dudurugin kita, although I didn't quite like the acting there. Mike de Leon's Di Nahahati ang Langit (which  is, to me, surprisingly awful) I would've appreciated more if not for the terrible performances all around.
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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #303 on: Feb 16, 2004 at 02:26 PM »
Oh, I didn't think Hindi Nahahati was awful at all--if anything, it felt more like an underrated komiks masterpiece.  Mike de Leon likes it very much, too--over Sister Stella L. (and I agree).

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #304 on: Feb 16, 2004 at 05:53 PM »
Well, to begin with, it's a Viva movie, hence the gloss and lavish production design. I wouldn't really say that its any different or or distinctive compared to other komiks based movies typical of the eighties but I guess its entertaining fair and you'll want watch it for the cast. For some reason, my favorite komiks based movie is Babangon ako't  Dudurugin kita, although I didn't quite like the acting there. Mike de Leon's Di Nahahati ang Langit (which  is, to me, surprisingly awful) I would've appreciated more if not for the terrible performances all around.

I still think that the two komiks based movies that Ate Guy made for Viva Films in 1985 were much better than any other melodrama. The fact that both films were directed by Leroy Salvador. It was even a couple of notches above Muling Buksan ang Puso which he also directed. By the way, Tinik sa Dibdib is already out on vcd. It contains additional scenes which were not in the original theatrical release & Hindi Nahahati ang Langit was produced by Vanguard Films.  ;)

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #305 on: Feb 17, 2004 at 07:06 AM »
Oh, I didn't think Hindi Nahahati was awful at all--if anything, it felt more like an underrated komiks masterpiece.  Mike de Leon likes it very much, too--over Sister Stella L. (and I agree).

Really? I thought he preferred it the other way around. I just wish Mike de Leon would've had the chance to direct Ate Guy in a film.  8)

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« Reply #306 on: Feb 17, 2004 at 11:31 AM »
Really? I thought he preferred it the other way around. I

Nope.  

Hindi Nahahati is barely a de Leon film at all; the only time you see his direction come to life is in the torture sequences.  Pete Lacaba, the scriptwriter, has a strong narrative voice that can overwhelm a filmmaker who isn't careful (another one who can be like this is Ricky Lee, especially in his early scripts).

You just have to think: can Sister Stella L. be directed by Brocka without much change?  No problem.

Hindi Nahahati, on the other hand, has many elements that are uniquely de Leon--the understated acting (mannered Christopher was unnaturally good), the theme of male patriarch trying to dominate female sister/daughter (in a way, Lorna was both); the claustrophobic, oppressive feel of the de Leon household in the movie.  Very personal stuff.

Plus it has one of the most unique deaths in Philippine history (SPOILER) Edu Manzano losing control of the car, and the film print itself actually burning up and melting.  Pretty impressive effect.

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« Reply #307 on: Feb 17, 2004 at 03:05 PM »
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Hindi Nahahati is barely a de Leon film at all; the only time you see his direction come to life is in the torture sequences.  Pete Lacaba, the scriptwriter, has a strong narrative voice that can overwhelm a filmmaker who isn't careful (another one who can be like this is Ricky Lee, especially in his early scripts).

You probably mean Sister Stella L.


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Hindi Nahahati, on the other hand, has many elements that are uniquely de Leon--the understated acting (mannered Christopher was unnaturally good),

Er, mild mannered? Unnaturally good? Its prolly just me but I thought Christopher de Leon was his usual over acting self here.

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Plus it has one of the most unique deaths in Philippine history (SPOILER) Edu Manzano losing control of the car, and the film print itself actually burning up and melting.  Pretty impressive effect.
 

The only scene I liked in the movie.

And like you mentioned before, Noel, Mike de Leon took his name out of the credits due to a disagreement with Charo Santos, right? Actually, he was very unhappy with the producer (Vanguard) because they were scrimping on the budget  and weren't sending enough film reels during the shoot.

BTW, Noel, what did those crystal swans in the opening mean?  
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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #308 on: Feb 17, 2004 at 03:14 PM »
Really? I thought he preferred it the other way around. I just wish Mike de Leon would've had the chance to direct Ate Guy in a film.  8)

I'm sure you've heard this story before.

 Mike de Leon was in Mother Lily's  office when she was speaking to Vilma Santos. Mother Lily told Vilma: "Sabi ni Mike, bagay din daw kay Nora yung role (Sister Stella )" to which she replied: "akin yan! akin yan!"  ;)  ;D
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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #309 on: Feb 17, 2004 at 06:00 PM »
I'm sure you've heard this story before.

 Mike de Leon was in Mother Lily's  office when she was speaking to Vilma Santos. Mother Lily told Vilma: "Sabi ni Mike, bagay din daw kay Nora yung role (Sister Stella )" to which she replied: "akin yan! akin yan!"  ;)  ;D

I've heard about it before, but I never knew na totoo palang sinabi 'yun ni Mike de Leon. At the time Nora was going to do Hustisya with Christopher de Leon her reunion movie with Ishmael Bernal for Regal kaya lang hindi natuloy dahil na-mental block si Ricky Lee at hindi niya matapos ang script. Sayang'no?  :)

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #310 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 06:09 AM »
Congratulations to Ate Guy for being one of the PMPC Star Awards for Movies Dekada Awardee!!! We're so proud of your accomplishments as an actress & this recognition just proves it. Tuluy-tuloy na talaga ang iyong Paglalayag!  :)
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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #311 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 08:49 AM »
quote author=RMN

"Er, mild mannered? Unnaturally good? Its prolly just me but I thought Christopher de Leon was his usual over acting self here."

Naw, it's prolly more like he had a more interestingly written character to play that suited his acting style. Mas nagustuhan ko ang character, and Boyet wasn't as noticeably annoying as usual.  I never see overacting in a de Leon film.  

"And like you mentioned before, Noel, Mike de Leon took his name out of the credits due to a disagreement with Charo Santos, right? Actually, he was very unhappy with the producer (Vanguard) because they were scrimping on the budget  and weren't sending enough film reels during the shoot."

That's not what I heard.  More like they disagreed with the opening date.  But I wouldn't consider my version definitive, that could be the right reason, or the official reason, anyway.

"BTW, Noel, what did those crystal swans in the opening mean?"

I like to think they symbolize Lorna--something beautiful and fragile that you have to keep in a glass case, protect all the time, whether the swan likes it or not. Lovely sequence.
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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #312 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 02:05 AM »
I'm sorry, hindi ko lang talaga mapigilan na hindi sumulyap sa vilma thread sa PEX, I was surprised to have found out na ginagaya nila talaga ang Nora Thread natin du'n. They also have trivia questions na sinimulan ni justin690 - kakainis talaga walang originality. kahit 'yung mga questions nila kayang-kaya kong sagutin kahit hindi ako vilmanian, like who was vilma's leading man in isipin mong basta't mahal kita - eh di si eugene torre, ano daw ang title ng movie niya with meng fei di twin fists for justice & sino daw ang leading man niya sa darna vs. the planet women sino pa di si zandro zamora. at least kung manggagaya na rin lang make it a little more creative & challenging.  >:(

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #313 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 05:00 AM »
There's a Vilma thread?  :o

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #314 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 06:41 AM »
There's a Vilma thread?  :o

yeah Noel, sa PEX ang pangalan ng thread nila is Queen Vilma Santos. sabi nga sa 'kin nina Ken & Marlon huwag ko na daw silipin 'yung thread at mai-imbyerna lang ako. nakakainis lang kasi gaya-gaya.  >:(

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #315 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 06:44 AM »
That's pretty funny.  "Queen" pa--as if they don't know Nora's an even bigger gay icon than Vilma ever was.

Who posts there--Lucky? Ralph? Maybe over and over again, under different alternicks?  ;D

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« Reply #316 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 06:49 AM »
That's pretty funny.  "Queen" pa--as if they don't know Nora's an even bigger gay icon than Vilma ever was.

Who posts there--Lucky? Ralph? Maybe over and over again, under different alternicks?  ;D

who else but justin690 & kapuso remember? kinu-question pa nila ang credibility mo as a film critic. for us we still believe you. by the way Noel, I wanted to subscribe to your film reviews paano ba?  :)

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« Reply #317 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 02:39 PM »

"kahit 'yung mga questions nila kayang-kaya kong sagutin kahit hindi ako vilmanian, like who was vilma's leading man in isipin mong basta't mahal kita - eh di si  eugene torre   "
Um, Eugene Torre, the chess master  ???  :o

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« Reply #318 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 04:40 PM »

"kahit 'yung mga questions nila kayang-kaya kong sagutin kahit hindi ako vilmanian, like who was vilma's leading man in isipin mong basta't mahal kita - eh di si  eugene torre   "
Um, Eugene Torre, the chess master  ???  :o

yeah, the chess master, they starred together in that forgettable film... the point is they've been visiting our Nora Thread & were trying to see what we're talking about then imitate us by doing the same thing - this really annoyed me but i'm over it so let's just go on & continue discussing more important things like Ate Guy.  :)

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #319 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 03:32 AM »
Posted this in PEX:

I went to Majayjay, in Laguna, we did a tour of the Laguna churches for the Holy Week. There were other churches in better condition and more ornate, but the one in Majayjay was the simplest, oldest, most awe-inspiring.  

I talked to this old man sitting in front of this house in front of the church mentioned Majayjay was a popular location for movies, and rattled off some titles--"Maruja," "Ganito Kamin Noon Paano Kayo Ngayon," so on and so forth. The old man was very polite.  Then I mentioned "Tatlong Taong Walang Diyos" and he goes "Oh yes!  That movie!  Did you know Nora did her makeup in this house?  Did you know that's the church in the movie?  Did you know the elementary school is down that road?  Did you know the bridge is over there?  Did you know the house she lived in is over there?"  Di naubusan ng kuwento.

We went to the bridge. It was a twenty-minute hike through a path, and hardly anyone used it.  The bridge itself was overgrown with grass but still impressive in a massive, brooding way.

On the way home, we were looking for the house Nora lived in; it was on the road we used driving into town, but I never recognized it.  We went down the same road looking for it, and not five minutes out of town, I spotted it; earlier, I must have been looking at it from a different angle than the one I remember from the film.

It was closed down, but someone was living there--the window shutter opened, part of a woman's face peeped out.  We said we were visiting it because of--well, Nora had filmed here for "Tatlong Taong Walang Diyos," does she remember that picture? The woman in the window smiled and waved.

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« Reply #320 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 03:40 AM »
Jojo, it's easy to join my egroups:

Just go here:

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« Reply #321 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 09:05 AM »
Jojo, it's easy to join my egroups:

Just go here:

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Thanks a lot Noel, I am now a member of your e-group. I'm looking forward to reading your movie reviews & of course previous ones most especially Ate Guy's films.  :)
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« Reply #322 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 01:15 PM »
To be fair, Jo, I don't really like her work with Joel Lamangan, not even Flor.  I think Lamangan is the worst thing to happen to her career.

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« Reply #323 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 07:04 PM »
To be fair, Jo, I don't really like her work with Joel Lamangan, not even Flor.  I think Lamangan is the worst thing to happen to her career.

Me too... parang masyadong naging mannered ang acting niya under Joel Lamangan but I really loved Ate Guy in Bakit May Kahapon Pa? I heard na ayaw na raw magpa-direk ni Ate Guy kay Joel. Pahinga daw muna sila kasi 'yung klase ng akting niya du'n sa mga Lamangan films ang madalas gayahin ni Ate Gay.

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #324 on: Feb 21, 2004 at 05:00 AM »
Nora does okay everthing considering under Lamangan, it's just that the rest of the movie is so melodramatic and absurd.

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« Reply #325 on: Feb 21, 2004 at 06:27 AM »
Nora does okay everthing considering under Lamangan, it's just that the rest of the movie is so melodramatic and absurd.

Do you think Bakit May Kahapon Pa? wasn't on par with Nora's excellent portrayal of Helen? I believe some critics even said that her performance is in the same ball park as Himala. As for me I never really had any problem with Nora's movies with Lamangan with the exception of Muling Umawit Ang Puso. This is my least liked Nora film. Aside from a contrived plot, the acting leaves much to be desired not what one would expect of a Nora Aunor film immediately after the box office & critical success of The Flor Contemplacion Story.

as for Sidhi, I agree that Nora Aunor delivered a moving performance as the mute peasant girl Anna/Ah. In this case the movie failed to match her intense performance. The movie failed in more ways than one. The teleplay it was based on Rolando Tinio's Ang Kuwento ni Ah didn't really offer anything new, even Ricky Lee cannot make this tired plot interesting. Not even Lamangan's directorial expertise did not make the story move in the right direction. I guess it's definitely time for Nora to work with different directors. Here's hoping that her new film Naglalayag under the capable hands of Maryo J. de los Reyes, Nora Aunor will once again mesmerize us with another unforgettable performnace.  :)

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #326 on: Feb 21, 2004 at 08:58 AM »
No, I thought Bakit was every bit contrived as the other Lamangan movies--that Garcia would let her live next door without doing a background check!  Not to mention he can't cut his footage or stage his actors or use his camera worth a damn. Nora's easily the best thing in there.

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #327 on: Feb 21, 2004 at 07:05 PM »
Noel, aside from Tatlong Taong Walang Diyos which other Nora Aunor-Mario O'Hara movie did you like?  :)

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« Reply #328 on: Feb 21, 2004 at 09:44 PM »
Well, I never liked Joel Lamangan based on his works that I've seen...

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Re:The Nora Aunor Thread
« Reply #329 on: Feb 21, 2004 at 10:28 PM »
Well, I never liked Joel Lamangan based on his works that I've seen...

have you seen any of Nora's movies by Joel Lamangan?  :)