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Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« on: Sep 27, 2005 at 09:04 AM »
yung affordable, say mga 100 per meter?  Yung opposite ng Ecosse...

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #1 on: Sep 27, 2005 at 01:06 PM »
sir IMO its all about system synergy...how well yor components (amps/source/speakers) match w/ @ other...anyway, have u tried QED Qudos or Chord Carnival? btw these are not thick gauged wires but they provide taut deep well controlled bass.
« Last Edit: Sep 27, 2005 at 01:18 PM by awadeh al »

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #2 on: Sep 27, 2005 at 04:29 PM »
awadeh al,

where can you get Chord Carnival locally? Any tips?

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #3 on: Sep 27, 2005 at 06:05 PM »
buzz... im not sure local availability chord kbols. i got mine outside pnas.

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #4 on: Sep 27, 2005 at 06:30 PM »
Just curious and humor my naive question, why would you want "bright" speaker cables?   ;D
« Last Edit: Sep 27, 2005 at 06:32 PM by av_phile1 »

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #5 on: Sep 27, 2005 at 11:49 PM »
Why not try tv antenna lead-in wires?  Yung flat ribbon type.

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #6 on: Sep 28, 2005 at 02:16 AM »
i need bright wires because my tweeters are slow (soft fabric dome).  My source is warm, my amp is warm.  so kelangan ko bawiin sa wires.  whatcha tink?

car audio nga pala to.  Don't worry about bass, i need the wires for my tweeters only.  I'm running them full active, meaning my tweets have a separate amp. 

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #7 on: Sep 28, 2005 at 08:39 PM »
cat5?
any silver plated thin wire?
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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #8 on: Sep 29, 2005 at 03:05 AM »
what about ixos 6003 15awg?

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #9 on: Sep 29, 2005 at 08:15 AM »
try QED silver anniversary...you can also try audience, although not really bright ang audience...more of neutral...thanks!
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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #10 on: Sep 29, 2005 at 10:45 AM »
try QED silver anniversary...you can also try audience, although not really bright ang audience...more of neutral...thanks!

Hi Sir,

Where can i buy QED cables? 5th Ave is no longer an authorized dealer...

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #11 on: Sep 29, 2005 at 12:07 PM »
i need bright wires because my tweeters are slow (soft fabric dome).  My source is warm, my amp is warm.  so kelangan ko bawiin sa wires.  whatcha tink?

car audio nga pala to.  Don't worry about bass, i need the wires for my tweeters only.  I'm running them full active, meaning my tweets have a separate amp. 

Wires can only pass through a signal with what is termed insertion losses.  It has no amplification power whatsoever.  So if your source and your tweeters cannot reproduce the signals you want, there is little merit to saying "puedeng bawiin sa wires"  as I shall elaborate later.  Wires cannot produce something that's not there to begin with. 

Wires can only attenuate due to impedances at various frequency bandwidth.  It cannot amplify.  What people consider as bright sounding cable actually have low inductance values to offer lower impedance at high frequencies but has the effect of attenuating the lows so the mids and highs sound louder relative to attenuated lows.  Exotic and expensive wire makers do play around with the RLC characteristics of their products to make wires that act like fixed equalizer to vary the impedances across the audio spectrum.  Wires are either transparent (the least possible RLC values) or colored (bright, dull, dark, etc) due to variously altered RLC values. 

If you have a bi-amped set-up where a separate amp feeds the tweets, (presumably using the right active electronic crossover), there'd be no harm using a bright cable (one with unusually low inductance) to the tweets, since the bass signals are already absent in the signal path to the tweeter.   But whether  bright or not, the speaker cable will only let through the mids and highs up to the highest that your amp can deliver and what your tweeter can drive.  It cannot add to nor amplify highs if they're weak or not there to begin with. 

Having said that, it's also possible that the wires you are currently using have high inductances that may be attentuating the high frequencies.   Or they may exhibit high impedances everywhere due to age, poor or corroded contacts.  So there would be some advantages to using low inductance cables.  (Or just about any new cable properly soldered or terminated. Sometimes, people perceive differences using expensive cables precisely because their older cables were plainly old, corroded or not properly terminated. A cheaper cable might have elicited the same impression.  ;D)  But, and this is a big BUT.  The effect of lowering the inductance in cables usually start in the 19khz-20khz going up with a +0.1db benefit.  The human ear already has difficulty correctly identifying differences in the 1db range.  So,  not only do I doubt if a 0.1db improvement at 19khz is humanly audible, but I also doubt if low inductance cables are available below P100/meter.   ;D  And if your amp or tweeter is already rolling off at -3db at , say, 18khz, not even the lowest inductance cable on earth will make any audible difference.  And since this is a car system, cable length would not even be an issue. 

Maybe a tweeter with a higher sensitivity rating will help you.  I think that would be a more cost effective alternative than getting expensive low inductance cables.  But that shouldn't dissuade you from indulging with cables.  This is a highly subjective hobby.   You could very well find one that suits your ears.  Just my thoughts.  ;D 
« Last Edit: Sep 29, 2005 at 12:49 PM by av_phile1 »

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #12 on: Sep 30, 2005 at 09:30 AM »
Good day!

We have a new cables Ultralink, its cheaper compare to eccose and xlo cables, P100/meter price range available in 16 and 14 awg. Ultralink is a sister company of xlo cables even if its cheaper compare to those 2 brands but still its made in canada we can say its a value for money speaker cable compare to those china and taiwan brand.

For details http://ultralinkcables.com/

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #13 on: Oct 01, 2005 at 09:09 AM »
thanks for the input av_phile!

i think may ibubuga pa tong tweets ko, because it was brighter when i was using my diy cat5 interconnects - i switched ICs and i lost some brightness but they are much more open now. 

here's an FR graph of my tweets - measured by somebody else, not measured inside the car where the response will definitely change



may slight rolloff talaga sya starting around the 12khz range - but due to reflections nag iiba talaga.  I'm currently using diy cat5 2 twisted pairs as speaker cable for my tweets. 

whatcha think peeps?
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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #14 on: Oct 03, 2005 at 01:36 PM »
The roll off is typical of most tweets. But you can say it's generally flat to within +3db up to 16khz when the roll off becomes steeper.  In general, most modern luxury cars and SUVs are more "dead" or sonically absorptive than typical rooms, so expect lesser brightness in tweets.  You may want to compensate using equalizers to suit your preference.

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #15 on: Oct 04, 2005 at 04:06 PM »
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need bright wires because my tweeters are slow (soft fabric dome).  My source is warm, my amp is warm.  so kelangan ko bawiin sa wires.  whatcha tink?

where in the world did you get that notion? your tweeter uses a ga30. (0.25mm) magnet wire in its voice coil, what makes you think it can be helped by a ga14 of ga16 wire which as 1.7mm, 1.25mm respectively?

if cat 5 gave you good results before, why change it? ???

do you have equalizers? if so use it. ;D

btw, are you the same mojako from pinoypc?
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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #16 on: Oct 05, 2005 at 05:38 AM »
2ny,
yes that's me. 

notion? i'm not talking about the gauge of the wire and was talking about the sonic properties of my source and amps. 

have you tried changing speaker wires and noticed a difference with brightness? detail? air?

i changed my diy cat5 ICs because they weren't shielded - disadvantageous in a car.

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Re: Please recommend bright Speaker wires..
« Reply #17 on: Oct 26, 2005 at 03:58 PM »
I'm using speaker cables based on the UBYTE speaker cable configuration I have seen from TNT audio. To minimize costs I have asked and received used RG59 cables from Home Cable.

I have tested various speaker cables using an LCR meter from 50Hz to 100KHz and I must say that the UBYTE connection has very good R, L and C characteristics. I have also used Simetrix simulation software to verify gain/phase margins and found the UBYTE better than those with highish capacitances. For reference (on the gain/phase margin plots) click on http://sound.westhost.com/cable-z.htm.

I will be glad to send you the report via e-mail on the testing I performed on the various speaker cables. Just PM me.