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« Reply #3810 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 01:17 PM »
Are there girls who want to sleep with Vhong Navarro just to get ahead in showbiz? Yes! But saying that statement is no excuse because it's EXTREMELY derogatory towards women. I don't know if Vhong is guilty of rape or not but defending him by saying "eh guwapo at charming naman siya" is very sexist.

It's also tantamount to victim blaming which unfortunately is STILL common place when it comes rape cases in the Philippines. If a girl gets drunk, flirty or wears a short skirt, she automatically gets at least part of the blame if not ALL the blame if she gets raped.

No is no. No woman "deserves" to get raped.
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« Reply #3811 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 03:58 PM »
Are there girls who want to sleep with Vhong Navarro just to get ahead in showbiz? Yes! But saying that statement is no excuse because it's EXTREMELY derogatory towards women. I don't know if Vhong is guilty of rape or not but defending him by saying "eh guwapo at charming naman siya" is very sexist.

It's also tantamount to victim blaming which unfortunately is STILL common place when it comes rape cases in the Philippines. If a girl gets drunk, flirty or wears a short skirt, she automatically gets at least part of the blame if not ALL the blame if she gets raped.

No is no. No woman "deserves" to get raped.

Yes agree 1000%. But the woman who does not want to be raped or much less be subjected into any kind of sexual attack from men who are looking for such an opportunity must tame themselves and not play around on those fields where such men lurks. The law penalizes the criminal and justice is claimed, but the ruined life is hard to recover. Deep inside the victim may just have to say, "i should not have been there...
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« Reply #3812 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 04:14 PM »
No is no. No woman "deserves" to get raped.

Nobody would disagree to the statement that no woman "deserves" it.  But just to be clear, the statement "asking for it" is another story.  It's like walking the streets of Quiapo with all your cash in plain sight.

As jerix implies, women should still err on the side of caution.
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« Reply #3813 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 04:15 PM »
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Are there girls who want to sleep with Vhong Navarro just to get ahead in showbiz? Yes! But saying that statement is no excuse because it's EXTREMELY derogatory towards women. I don't know if Vhong is guilty of rape or not but defending him by saying "eh guwapo at charming naman siya" is very sexist.

It's also tantamount to victim blaming which unfortunately is STILL common place when it comes rape cases in the Philippines. If a girl gets drunk, flirty or wears a short skirt, she automatically gets at least part of the blame if not ALL the blame if she gets raped.

No is no. No woman "deserves" to get raped.


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« Reply #3814 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 04:26 PM »
di ko gets, ba't naging sexist remark yon?

Meaning women can be had by having good looks alone, is not True? ;D

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« Reply #3815 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 04:28 PM »
Pitch in as well Christy Fermin, it eludes me why these kind of people are in a position they are in now.. ;D

Agree. Probably earning a lot of money.

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« Reply #3816 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 04:42 PM »
Nobody would disagree to the statement that no woman "deserves" it.  But just to be clear, the statement "asking for it" is another story.  It's like walking the streets of Quiapo with all your cash in plain sight.

As jerix implies, women should still err on the side of caution.

Then men should also be taught not to be rapists in the first place. This type of "victim blaming" especially when it comes to rape is a sickness. It is inexcusable. I don't care if the woman was drunk. I don't care if the woman has a "reputation". I don't care if the woman was wearing provocative clothes. I don't care if the woman was a prostitute even. Kapag ayaw niya ng sex at pinuwersa ng lalake, it is rape. And the woman should bear no responsbility whatsoever.

To even place even a little blame on the woman is also a grave insult to men. Ibig sabihin, lahat ng mga lalake ay pwede maging rapist at manyakis? It also makes women who were victims silent kasi ayaw nila mapahiya o pagbintangan na malandi sila.

This is the type of mentality that's prevalent in the more conservative Muslim countries. Kapag may na-rape na babae, they're actually more likely to punish the victim than the perpetrator.

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di ko gets, ba't naging sexist remark yon?

Meaning women can be had by having good looks alone, is not True?

You are part of the problem.
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« Reply #3817 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 04:44 PM »
Then men should also be taught not to be rapists in the first place. This type of "victim blaming" especially when it comes to rape is a sickness. It is inexcusable. I don't care if the woman was drunk. I don't care if the woman has a "reputation". I don't care if the woman was wearing provocative clothes. I don't care if the woman was a prostitute even. Kapag ayaw niya ng sex at pinuwersa ng lalake, it is rape. And the woman should bear no responsbility whatsoever.

To even place even a little blame on the woman is also a grave insult to men. Ibig sabihin, lahat ng mga lalake ay pwede maging rapist at manyakis? It also makes women who were victims silent kasi ayaw nila mapahiya o pagbintangan na malandi sila.

This is the type of mentality that's prevalent in the more conservative Muslim countries. Kapag may na-rape na babae, they're actually more likely to punish the victim than the perpetrator.

Ahh so when Lolit said that, the victims were being blamed kasi gwapo/pogi daw si Vhong?

Sensya na di ko makita yung link.

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« Reply #3818 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 04:52 PM »
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Ahh so when Lolit said that, the victims were being blamed kasi gwapo/pogi daw si Vhong?

Sensya na di ko makita yung link.

It's that type of "macho"/sexist mentality that leads to the type of "victim blaming" when it comes to rape.

"Eh guwapo at charming naman siya, eh" is not an adequate defense against rape. If you don't see how this is INSULTING to women, then you're part of the problem!

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« Reply #3819 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 05:02 PM »
Okay. Think about it this way: If a beautiful woman gets raped, can the rapists defend themselves by saying, "Eh, ang ganda niya, eh! Kaya naman siya ni-rape. We couldn't resist!"? WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT AS A DEFENSE?

It's the same side of the coin.
 

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« Reply #3820 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 05:06 PM »
I concur Klaus Weasley.
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« Reply #3821 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 05:11 PM »
It's that type of "macho"/sexist mentality that leads to the type of "victim blaming" when it comes to rape.

"Eh guwapo at charming naman siya, eh" is not an adequate defense against rape. If you don't see how this is INSULTING to women, then you're part of the problem!

Its insulting to women because the statement make women to be shallow.

I see it as insulting from the start, but for now, not sexist.

edit: Ok, vocabulary problems lang am having now. :)
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« Reply #3822 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 05:28 PM »
why talk of rape? There was no rape! Haaay as expected...
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« Reply #3823 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 05:48 PM »
I concur Klaus Weasley.

ako din, i concur also kht di ko naintindihan masyado! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
pero ako atty,  pag niyaya ni denice sa condo, pupunta ako o kht sino na kasing ganda nya! bihibihira lang mangyari yun eh, palalampasin ko pa! ;D ;D ;D ;D
at pag dinemanda ako ng reyp, kaw ang lead councel ko. hahahaha ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #3824 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 05:48 PM »
ako din, i concur also kht di ko naintindihan masyado! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
pero ako atty,  pag niyaya ni denice sa condo, pupunta ako o kht sino na kasing ganda nya! bihibihira lang mangyari yun eh, palalampasin ko pa! ;D ;D ;D ;D
at pag dinemanda ako ng reyp, kaw ang lead councel ko. hahahaha ;D ;D ;D

haha i concur na din. :)

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« Reply #3825 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 06:16 PM »
hahaha. be careful what you wish for master dodie. pero I'm sure bago ka mabugbog ni Cedric butas dibdib at ulo nya sa double tap mo.
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« Reply #3826 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 06:21 PM »
@Klaus, acknowledge your purist view.  If a prostitute says no because the client hasn't paid in cash yet, rape will be a tough sell in court.

I hope you don't tell your daughter (if you have one) that it's ok to wear clothing with the total surface area as a hankerchief, walk down a dark alley, and instruct her to simply say no if anyone sexually imposes himself on her.

If you want to prevent crime, eliminate the opportunity.

Maybe you consider me a bigot with my views, but as I said before, I will err on the side of caution.  I do not mean to start any flaming war.  I do respect your views, and this is just a slight difference in opinion.

Tama si sir ojofool, if Vhong committed rape, evidence says na hindi kay Deniece nor kay Roxanne.

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« Reply #3827 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 06:35 PM »
huwag paypayan ang baga para hindi umapoy....
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« Reply #3828 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 06:55 PM »
I hope you don't tell your daughter (if you have one) that it's ok to wear clothing with the total surface area as a hankerchief, walk down a dark alley, and instruct her to simply say no if anyone sexually imposes himself on her.

I think it's far better to tell your son that it's not right to rape a girl, no matter what she may be wearing.

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Maybe you consider me a bigot with my views, but as I said before, I will err on the side of caution.  I do not mean to start any flaming war.  I do respect your views, and this is just a slight difference in opinion.

That slight difference in opinion is what is preventing more rape victims from coming forward because they don't need people like you judging them and not just the rapist. ("Bakit yan ang sinuot mo? Kasalanan mo yan! Ang landi mo kasi!").

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« Reply #3829 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 07:48 PM »
I think it's far better to tell your son that it's not right to rape a girl, no matter what she may be wearing.

That slight difference in opinion is what is preventing more rape victims from coming forward because they don't need people like you judging them and not just the rapist. ("Bakit yan ang sinuot mo? Kasalanan mo yan! Ang landi mo kasi!").

I think both... things should be told to either the son or the daughter.

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« Reply #3830 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 08:05 PM »
I think it's far better to tell your son that it's not right to rape a girl, no matter what she may be wearing.

I think everyone knows it's not right to rape someone unless you have a criminal mind. No parent would teach their kid that it's okay to rape somebody lalo na at malandi.
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« Reply #3831 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 08:11 PM »
Hahaha....buti nalang hindi ako gwapo
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« Reply #3832 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 08:16 PM »
the world is getting to be a very complicated place ... one harmless comment giving your opinion and you'll be called sexist or racist ... pakiramdam ko even just saying the word black or white, or Christian or Muslim you need to be very careful as it will offend somebody ... i find it more offensive though about telling one of our members that he's part of the problem when he's just asking to clarify a statement

and i think that these are the same people who are pushing to have our rights curtailed in the CyberCrime law, cause they have the same mindset ... purist kuno ... just my opinion anyway
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« Reply #3833 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 08:38 PM »
I don't give a crap about the Vhong Navarro story but since my parents like to watch Pinoy showbiz talk shows during Sunday afternoon, I heard a statement that really stuck to my craw. Lolit Solis has said that she doubts the rape charge against Vhong Navarro because Vhong Navarro "is a handsome and charming man" and that every woman would be irresistable to his charms.

No reaction from the media. Nada.

It's an extremely sexist comment unfortunately typical among Filipinos. The accused rapist being "guwapo" and "charming" should not be used as a defense. It's VERY insulting towards women.

It's even more insulting when used to describe Vhong dahil hindi sya guwapo.

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« Reply #3834 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 10:02 PM »
I think both... things should be told to either the son or the daughter.

I can live with that as long as people stop questioning the character of rape victims by the way they dress. Sila ang na-rape. Who cares how they were dressed or if they have a "flirty" reputation?

This is sadly a very common mentality (still) among Filipinos. If we stop this type of mentality more victims will come forward and more rapists will be thrown in jail.
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« Reply #3835 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 10:23 PM »
I can live with that as long as people stop questioning the character of rape victims by the way they dress. Sila ang na-rape. Who cares how they were dressed or if they have a "flirty" reputation?

This is sadly a very common mentality (still) among Filipinos. If we stop this type of mentality more victims will come forward and more rapists will be thrown in jail.

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« Reply #3836 on: Feb 21, 2014 at 11:29 PM »
mabalik tayo sa mga bida... what's the real verdict, nag-escort ba si Deniece or not? Actually, the interesting angle is what business does the Malaysian guy have to offer his rented condo out to her... gratis lang talaga ba yun?

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« Reply #3837 on: Feb 22, 2014 at 12:21 AM »
mabalik tayo sa mga bida... what's the real verdict, nag-escort ba si Deniece or not? Actually, the interesting angle is what business does the Malaysian guy have to offer his rented condo out to her... gratis lang talaga ba yun?

That was my question before,...
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« Reply #3838 on: Feb 22, 2014 at 03:02 AM »
Okay sana yung pagtatalo kung talagang na-rape yang Roxane na yan e.

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« Reply #3839 on: Feb 22, 2014 at 03:36 AM »
Hahaha....buti nalang hindi ako gwapo

at saka bading ka pati kya walang mag iinvite sayo sa condo!  ;D ;D ;D

lam mo bespren naguguluhan ako.....kse i find it unusual for a parent to tell his kid na it is a crime to rape somebody. di ba pwedeng yung pakikiapid lang eh masama na, bkt rape agad? ;D  ang rape parang pagbaril o pagsaksak din. it is an act. you prevent it by acting properly. eh kung subconsiously o consiously eh your inviting people na pagnasaan ka , eh kasalanan mo yon pag may nagyari sayong masama. eh ang alam ko ang pagkakaiba lang natin sa mga kapatid nating hayop(the lower form ;D) eh marunong tayong gumamit ng kwarto to do our act, hindi yung kung saan tayo abutin.  ;D ;D
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