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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #30 on: Jul 14, 2009 at 10:30 PM »
Curious lang mga bros... I'm using Rotel RSP-1066 processor and RMB-1075 power amp with my B&W 683, HTM61 and 685.  My pre-pro doesn't decode lossless audio...I'm thinking of upgrading my pre pro to another pre pro or AVR that can decode the new audio format.  Do you guys think Denon 3808/Onkyo 876 are superior/inferior to my current Rotel processor, audio quality wise?  [I know it's subjective but I'd like to hear some inputs nonetheless.] In other words, if you're in my place, would you save up for a new Rotel RSP-1570 processor or just get these cheaper but top-of-the-line Japanese AVRs?  

sorry for hijacking your thread sir xxNightwolfxx.  ;)

yup. go for the denon 3808. if its to pricey you can go for the denon 2809.  also check out the hk 255 and hk 355. both have dolby true hd and dts hd and have pre outs.  also not as expensive as the denon 2809 and 3808. :)


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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #31 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 09:06 AM »
here's a good buy receiver:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=98814.0

high end enough to power most speakers.
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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #32 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM »
sir xxNightwolfxx,

what avr do you in mind at this point in time? ???
Sir Vic of Sights and Sound gave me his quotation of Onkyo Receivers. And he recommends TX-SR606 or 607 to match with B&W so far.

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #33 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM »
Sir Vic of Sights and Sound gave me his quotation of Onkyo Receivers. And he recommends TX-SR606 or 607 to match with B&W so far.

just for me... bro, suggestion ko, just add your cash and get what mike c recommendations above (the onkyo 805). power is better, walang tatanggihang speaker yan!!!...

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #34 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 12:13 PM »
if music is your priority then get a NAD or Marantz, if HT then get a Rotel, Denon or Yamaha.

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #35 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 04:11 PM »
To the OP - kindly take my opinion with a grain of salt.......

Audio is truly subjective and while we can suggest various brands till you get cross-eyed, its your opinion that will matter the most - so I'm afraid you have to do the legwork of auditioning what sounds best to you.
Dont worry, its a fun & educational experience......kinda tiring too, but you'll be thankful later on ;)

Being both a Rotel + B&W user, in my opinion they sound good - but then again thats just me. Others may like it, while others may not - no worries there ;D We all learn to agree to disagree ;)
Rotel + B&W is owned by the same company, so I could relate how both brands will match each other - althou, this doesnt mean that they're the only solution. Other speakers may sound great with rotel & I also believe that B&W speakers will also sound good with other amplifiers. Thats why auditioning is the solution to your quest.
For me, having both brands gives me the opportunity to only talk with one service personnel if i have a question on both products - its actually just an email away. I really like their e-mail support & have benefitted from the infos they have provided me in the past. I really find their support as one of the best in the world! ;)


To the other poster who is contemplating a single footprint avr to separates/pre-pro, I hope I can share my experience as well......

I've been a single footprint avr user for a number of years. About a year ago when I thought of upgrading systems, I deliberated long & hard to find out if I still will go single avr or try pre/pro. It took me about 7 months to decide, but after experiencing pre/pro, i dont think I will ever go back to single footprint avr.
again, this is just my opinion.
There are many benefits of having a pre/pro setup but I wont discuss it here - madami na sa net ;D

When I transferred to pre/pro last year, i also knew about the new codecs and the absence of HDMI in my Rotel 1068 processor - late kasi maglabas si rotel ng HDMI :P However,  i still forged ahead with my purchase & after doing the research, pm & email to various rotel forums & to B&W Group USA - I was satisfied with the answers I got.

As one example, I was concerned in missing the new codecs that are provided by bluray players - here's one email I received:

 Hi Mardon;

I am told that the Panasonic DMP-BD50 and the Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray
players will decode and output the new HDMI audio formats in a 5.1
analog audio format.

The 5.1 analog audio outputs from the DVD player would be sent to the
RSP-1068 Multi Inputs.

This would allow the DVD player to decode the new HDMI audio formats and
send them to the RSP-1068 as an analog signal.

This would give you the benefits of the new HDMI audio formats and still
allow you to use the RSP-1068 as a 5.1 surround sound preamp.

Some of the new Blu-ray DVD players will not decode the newer formats
and send them to the 5.1 outputs, in which case you will be missing the
newer formats, so make sure when you look for a Blu-ray DVD player it
will internally decode the newer formats and output them from the 5.1
analog outputs.

Best Regards;

George Miller
B&W Group USA
Technical Support Specialist
54 Concord Street
North Reading Ma. 01864
1-800-370-3741 Ext 236
[email protected]



Here's also one PM I got from a respectable guru of HTGuide Forum:

What's happening now is mass confusion on the subject matter causing people to react faster then they need to. The video upconversion isn't really needed as you pointed out since most equipment has HD output or all ready has a upconversion circuit in it.

Yes there are several new flavors of DTS and Dolby Digital, but they will only be on Blu-ray discs for at least the next 5 years. Yes they have the pontential to sound a lot better then what's currently on regular DVD's. You could compare it as DVDA/SACD versus regular CD, or regular CD versus an MP3 of the same song.

There are several ways to play these new types of formats and several ways to get the output to your speakers. The problem is a lot of people bought the first round of Blu-ray players that don't support all formats or ways of sending it out. Since they have to have the latest and greatest they do what they can to get it, reguardless off how it effects the ultimate sound quality. With the next round of blu-ray players coming out in the next few months, they will have the ability to decode all the new formats and send them via 8 analog RCA cables to the multi-channel inputs on your 1068. So HDMI to your TV for the best video and analog cables to your 1068 for the best audio.

Kevin D.



So, for me - while it is indeed new codecs, I still enjoy the SQ of Rotel in its analog form - again, this is just me & subjective.
There's no doubt, bluray is king - you do get the new codecs from bluray......but then, buying bluray is also expensive :P
Now, to drive home a point - we are now leaning towards the convenience & inexpensive media of NMTs with various codecs/files.........we dont exactly get the new audio codecs, do we?  ;)

Again, please take my opinion with a grain of salt - its just one man's opinion ;D

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #36 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 06:38 PM »
Thanks bro mike and avshop for advice.  Ang bilis ng technology, meron na pala xx10 series ang Denon!  Denon 3310 and 4310 look tempting especially with their networking capabilities! Networking seems to be the "in" thing now, like networked media players.  ;)

Like bro macdon, I too attest to the good Rotel+B&W combo, having used them for quite sometime already.  The only problem with decent separates (pre pro + amp) vs. receivers is the cost.  If money is no object, and you want the best system, separates are the best way to go in my opinion.  But if you upgrade often and if you want more bells and whistles at lower price, you may want to consider Japanese AVRs since they usually adopt the latest features earlier than separates.  For instance, the latest Denon 3310 can decode the new Dolby Pro Logic IIz (9 channel?), networking capabilities, etc. http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4972.asp which are not yet incorporated in the latest Rotel RSP-1570 http://www.rotel.com/UK/products/ProductDetails.htm?Id=474&Tab=2&Pic=1.  However, it really depends whether you "need" these features in the first place.  :P

Even when using receivers, I strongly recommend a power amp to drive B&W floor standers.  For bookshelves, like the one being used by the OP, pwede na siguro receiver lang muna without power amp as long as the receiver has decent power ratings.

Bro macdon, buti may HDMI ang RSP-1068 nyo. My outdated RSP-1066 doesn't have one so I have no way to enjoy the latest lossless audio (DTS-HD, TrueHD).  I'm using NMT too and would love to try out its capability to pass-through lossless audio for decoding by receiver/pre pro.  I have some full bluray backups and remux with lossless audio in them. ;D
« Last Edit: Jul 15, 2009 at 06:42 PM by milken »

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #37 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 06:50 PM »

Bro macdon, buti may HDMI ang RSP-1068 nyo. My outdated RSP-1066 doesn't have one so I have no way to enjoy the latest lossless audio (DTS-HD, TrueHD).  I'm using NMT too and would love to try out its capability to pass-through lossless audio for decoding by receiver/pre pro.  I have some full bluray backups and remux with lossless audio in them. ;D

Brader Milken - walang HDMI ang 1068 ko and as seen from the messages I got, ok pa naman ako even without it. Sa totoo lang, wala pa nga ako bluray player eh - still contemplating if i need it or not. Sa NMT lang masaya na eh ;D

I'm sure dami pang technology na lalabas in the future - kaya dito muna tayo sa ankop ng pinoy - mura na at maganda pa :D ;D

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #38 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 08:03 PM »
Brader Milken - walang HDMI ang 1068 ko and as seen from the messages I got, ok pa naman ako even without it. Sa totoo lang, wala pa nga ako bluray player eh - still contemplating if i need it or not. Sa NMT lang masaya na eh ;D

Ah ok. Based on the pm you quoted, we can still enjoy lossless audio pala using a player (e.g. bluray) that can internally decode lossless audio and pass through the audio signal through RCA analog cables.  Well, I don't have a bluray player yet and current NMTs have stereo (2 channel) analog output and don't internally decode lossless audio.  Anyway, sabi nila the SQ between lossless (TrueHD, DTS-HD) vs. lossy (AC3, DTS) is not that distinguishable naman for ordinary folks...so oks pa rin tayo.  :D

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #39 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 09:04 PM »
To the OP - kindly take my opinion with a grain of salt.......

Audio is truly subjective and while we can suggest various brands till you get cross-eyed, its your opinion that will matter the most - so I'm afraid you have to do the legwork of auditioning what sounds best to you.
Dont worry, its a fun & educational experience......kinda tiring too, but you'll be thankful later on ;)

I will Sir.. Thanks for the fruitful insights... I appreciate it :)
« Last Edit: Jul 15, 2009 at 09:10 PM by xxNightwolfxx »

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #40 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 10:18 PM »
Ah ok. Based on the pm you quoted, we can still enjoy lossless audio pala using a player (e.g. bluray) that can internally decode lossless audio and pass through the audio signal through RCA analog cables.  Well, I don't have a bluray player yet and current NMTs have stereo (2 channel) analog output and don't internally decode lossless audio.  Anyway, sabi nila the SQ between lossless (TrueHD, DTS-HD) vs. lossy (AC3, DTS) is not that distinguishable naman for ordinary folks...so oks pa rin tayo.  :D

Precisely my point!  :D You hit the head of the nail there, brader  ;D

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #41 on: Jul 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM »
I will Sir.. Thanks for the fruitful insights... I appreciate it :)

Kokonti lang naman yung mga popular single footprint avrs out there eh - Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha, Marantz, Pioneer (?) and Harman Kardon. If you find a shop that carries most of them, then surely your legwork would be easier. ;)
Now, if you think that most of them sounds okay or similar - then just pick the brand that has the most/best features based on your budget. I think this was what MikeC was pertaining to earlier in his post.

If you must know, B&W is marketed here in the Philippines by Toyama - the same company that also markets Onkyo. So you might encounter a lot of Onkyo + B&W setups.   Nonetheless, just look beyond any sales talk of the store's staff & heed what your ears & heart will tell you ;)

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #42 on: Oct 26, 2009 at 07:33 PM »
if music is your priority then get a NAD or Marantz, if HT then get a Rotel, Denon or Yamaha.

id go the other way around..
NAD or Marantz for HT...
Rotel for 2 channel stereo..

im using rotel RA1060 with my b&w 705..
and marantz SR 5500 for my 7.1 set-up..( 1CC3 center + 6 b&w DM303 + 1 klipsch RSW 12)..
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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #43 on: Oct 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM »
you can also try the hk 645. :)

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Re: What Audio Video Receiver will best fit for a B&W speakers?
« Reply #44 on: Oct 27, 2009 at 12:04 AM »
yep..
HK645 is a good choice too..

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