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NEX10 Group Buy
« on: Apr 05, 2008 at 10:02 AM »
Please refer to another thread which is an off shoot of this one ...

Just a thought ...

Let me show of hands (este pdvd codes) who are interested to join. I hope we can request oweidah or others who can demo the power of the Neo10 planars in the mid.

1. pabili -  10pcs

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #1 on: Apr 05, 2008 at 12:10 PM »
Please refer to another thread which is an off shoot of this one ...

Just a thought ...

Let me show of hands (este pdvd codes) who are interested to join. I hope we can request oweidah or others who can demo the power of the Neo10 planars in the mid.

1. pabili -  10pcs



10pcs!!!! at 5k@ market price = 50whooping K! :o :o :o
right, group buy will hopefully, reduce the price to more affordable cost-friendly for pdvd diyrs.

aba bohlender & graebener totl R-800 yata balak nung mama (vertical line array)...paano neo3s???  ::)

ps....waiting, na kay eestrera pa pa-diy ko enclosure ;D ;D ;D

eto test lang as add-on to x3, using 16.8uf cap

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #2 on: Apr 05, 2008 at 08:27 PM »
sali ako kung neo10 coaxed with neo3 as used in z92tower & z62center ;D ;D ;D



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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #3 on: Apr 05, 2008 at 09:44 PM »
 2pcs sa akin

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #4 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 11:54 AM »

... paano neo3s???  ::)

ps....waiting, na kay eestrera pa pa-diy ko enclosure ;D ;D ;D

eto test lang as add-on to x3, using 16.8uf cap


What Neo3 does can be done by Neo8 or Neo10 as well.
What Neo3 cant do will not be done by Neo8 or Neo10 as well.
What DIY enclosure are you trying to make - for the Neo3 or for the Neo8 - or do you have the Neo10?

I have good results with my X1 (and am pretty sure it will definitely work with X3). I just added a conventional tweeter (currently a good hi-sensitivity piezo tweeter - bad trip nga eh at nawala yung model na yon, got 6 pcs only when it is still available 3 yrs ago pa - the current stocks are not as good). I attenuated it using 100-ohm resistor, since capacitor is built-in to the tweets, it is just a direct tap to the speaker terminals.

I also wanted to hear a Neo8 based speaker system ... are there proliferating somewhere?

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #5 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 11:56 AM »
I hope we can request oweidah or others who can demo the power of the Nex10 planars in the mid.

di pa tapos pa-diy ko speaker using nex10.

rite now, im using a pair as add-on to my x3. n10 +16.8uf cap. pwede ko pahiram ung n10 kasi maski bare driver ulam na ito, try diff. xovers/caps  ;D
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #6 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 12:03 PM »
gusto mo neo8 spare ko swap x1+cash?  ::)


sorry sir - I need 4 pieces, because my application is 8ohms. I need 2 pieces in series per channel.

I am thinking if I can release an X1.

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #7 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 12:08 PM »
sorry sir - I need 4 pieces, because my application is 8ohms. I need 2 pieces in series per channel.

I am thinking if I can release an X1.

oh ok tnx...ganon din una balak ko sa nex10s (2 in series /speaker) kaya lang baka ma-overpower ung bass. k eestrera ko pinagawa enclosure - acoustic susp -per spkr- #2pcs. x3 bass drivers +nex10+nex3+x3 xover. yung spares gawin ko center & surrounds later ;D
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #8 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 12:17 PM »
oh ok tnx...ganon din una balak ko sa neo10s (2 in series /speaker) kaya lang baka ma-overpower ung bass. k eestrera ko pinagawa enclosure - acoustic susp -per spkr- #2pcs. x3 bass drivers +neo10+neo3 using x3 xover

Di naman. am not sure with Neo10s' sensitivity. I guess, it is 92dB each at 4ohms. Pag sinabak mo sila in series, it will become 8ohms with same sensitivity (1watt/meter).

However, it can really overpower your bass kung below 92db ito. If this is the case, you have to attenuate the Neo10s up to the level of your bass if you want to equalize their loudness.

Are you saying 2-X3 bass drivers tapos insert mo Neo8/Neo10 (kasama pati si Neo3)?

I can suggest the following in X3 configuration:
 1-X3 bass driver + Neo8/Neo10 in place of the X3 bass  driver with cut-off at 500Hz + Neo3 as is

This way, you almost preserve the speaker impedance (your original plan will have dip in the mid frequency and it may pose a difficult load to the amplifier).

However, my suggestion might have impact on the bass if the box configuration will not be change.

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #9 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 12:24 PM »
2pcs resrvation ko kung abot kaya ang halaga :)
magkano po pair if group buy?
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #10 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 01:02 PM »

... pwede ko pahiram ung n10 ...


I missed this line, can I borrow just to hear how it sounds in the mid section - will not stress it out, just validate the sonic character it can produce.

Please  :-*

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #11 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 01:48 PM »
Di naman. am not sure with Neo10s' sensitivity. I guess, it is 92dB each at 4ohms. Pag sinabak mo sila in series, it will become 8ohms with same sensitivity (1watt/meter).

However, it can really overpower your bass kung below 92db ito. If this is the case, you have to attenuate the Neo10s up to the level of your bass if you want to equalize their loudness.

Are you saying 2-X3 bass drivers tapos insert mo Neo8/Neo10 (kasama pati si Neo3)?

I can suggest the following in X3 configuration:
 1-X3 bass driver + Neo8/Neo10 in place of the X3 bass  driver with cut-off at 500Hz + Neo3 as is

This way, you almost preserve the speaker impedance (your original plan will have dip in the mid frequency and it may pose a difficult load to the amplifier).

However, my suggestion might have impact on the bass if the box configuration will not be change.

tnx nx10 93db so are the x3bass drivers & nx3.  im not deviating far from the orig x3 design. at pinalagay ko yung nx10 sa top above the nx3 para nx3 earlevel. hindi kasama ang neo8.


I missed this line, can I borrow just to hear how it sounds in the mid section - will not stress it out, just validate the sonic character it can produce.

Please  :-*

mas ok kung minsan na lang hiramin at yung mga interested sumama na group test/audition. at pinaka-ok uing may assembled speaker na using the nx10. meron din isa friend na may raw nx10 sa tube setup. ;D

pero pinaka-impt eh meron pa ba sure makukuha? ::)
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #12 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 02:05 PM »
mas ok kung minsan na lang hiramin at yung mga interested sumama na group test/audition. at pinaka-ok uing may assembled speaker na using the nx10. meron din isa friend na may raw nx10 sa tube setup. ;D

pero pinaka-impt eh meron pa ba sure makukuha? ::)

I want to join kaso I have no DIY skills  :-[  Sana meron na din Group DIY project so we can test first which configuration works best and used as a guide by those with limited DIY skills  ;D

How much is the estimated price per pair?
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #13 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 02:07 PM »
I want to join kaso I have no DIY skills  :-[  Sana meron na din Group DIY project so we can test first which configuration works best and used as a guide by those with limited DIY skills  ;D

How much is the estimated price per pair?


good idea sir jairus!

pricing info is sir pabili's turf :)
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #14 on: Apr 08, 2008 at 07:04 PM »

pero pinaka-impt eh meron pa ba sure makukuha? ::)

it is just talks away - but have to wait ! Again, if we can show the number, price can be negotiated. As usual, I spend my time for this project not because I want to help the rest of the audio hobbyist - but for me to save, but the rest of the DIYers stand to benefit.

I know the selling price for neo8 and Neo10 (to me), so at least I have an idea what price to haggle, provided we have the numbers.


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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #15 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 12:03 AM »
ano ba meron sa nex10? ganda ba talaga yan?

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #16 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 08:02 AM »
it is just talks away - but have to wait ! Again, if we can show the number, price can be negotiated. As usual, I spend my time for this project not because I want to help the rest of the audio hobbyist - but for me to save, but the rest of the DIYers stand to benefit.

I know the selling price for neo8 and Neo10 (to me), so at least I have an idea what price to haggle, provided we have the numbers.

sir, siguro mas ma-encourage diyrs kung post mo na price. and by "numbers", ilan ang minimum- 20, 30, 50?

ano ba meron sa nex10? ganda ba talaga yan?

yessir garantisado ko maganda. pwedeng ilaban ng itapon sa ilog pag natalo! pag di ka nakontento susugurin ko yung mama sa showroom.   ;D 
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #17 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 08:17 AM »
one pair for me please..... ;D

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #18 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 09:23 AM »
anong specs ng neo 10 lowest frequency and highest frequency na kaya ?

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #19 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 09:32 AM »
Ayusin ko lang ang listahan if you don't mind

1. pabili -  10pcs
2. dana -  2pcs tentative until price is disclose
3. stipen - 2pcs same as dana but definitely want a pair of this if budget permits


I like the highs of the N3, I would most probably install this to my X3 like what sir pabili suggested. Remove the mid driver in exchange for the N10, then sabay palit ng high quality components sa crossover. For the  lows nanjan panaman ang DTX ko para umalalay, medyo im into RnB at room filling volume lang naman so I think di naman masyado mastress ang x3 sa ganitong listening preference.

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #20 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 09:50 AM »
1. pabili -  10pcs
2. dana -  2pcs tentative until price is disclose
3. stipen - 2pcs same as dana but definitely want a pair of this if budget permits
4. tony- 2pcs...

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #21 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 09:58 AM »
Insert Quote
1. pabili -  10pcs
2. dana -  2pcs tentative until price is disclose
3. stipen22 - 2pcs same as dana but definitely want a pair of this if budget permits
4. tony- 2pcs...

sorry sir tony, missed your name on my previous post  :(

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #22 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 09:59 AM »
anong specs ng neo 10 lowest frequency and highest frequency na kaya ?

150hz-20khz 93db 4ohms
10inches H x 5inches W
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http://www.bgcorp.com/news.read.php?article_id=11
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September 9, 2005
The Neo10 is a patent pending 10” X 5” planar magnetic ribbon driver based on BG’s proprietary technology. It is considerably larger than BG’s other Neo drivers and uses larger neodymium magnets as well. As a result, its operating frequency range is extended down to as low as 150Hz allowing it to handle more of the lower midrange frequencies. This extended range also provides BG designers more freedom in crossover design and optimal integration with a system’s low frequency section.

Igor Levitsky, VP of Engineering at BG Corp. described the innovation this way, “In designing planar ribbon drivers, it has always been difficult to reproduce lower midrange information at higher levels without inducing noise and distortion. The increased size of the Neo10 diaphragm means it moves a larger amount of air, keeping diaphragm excursion relatively low. Controlled excursion directly translates into lower distortion and higher sensitivity which are key factors for clarity and resolution. Going back and hearing familiar recordings with the Neo10 will create an experience for the listener that is nothing short of magic.”

Ribbon drivers have long been a favorite of audiophiles and music lovers for their amazing clarity and detail. Throughout the years, the term Planar, implying flat and two-sided, has been widely used to describe a variety of diverse, dipolar loudspeaker designs, including electrostatics from famous brands such as QUAD, MartinLogan and Infinity. Planar speakers have been heralded for decades for their amazing detail, lifelike imaging, low distortion and faithful reproduction. However many early industry designs were hampered by low efficiency, modest output, limited frequency range and sometimes poor reliability.

Key Features of the Neo10 Planar Ribbon:
Significantly higher sensitivity- 93dB/1W/1m
Extraordinary power handling and output- up to 120dB in R-800
Lower operating frequency range- down to 150Hz
Incredible linearity with lower distortion
Unprecedented performance from a ribbon driver of any kind  
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #23 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 10:26 AM »

What Neo3 cant do will not be done by Neo8 or Neo10 as well.


ooops i missed this one...

sir, i believe the n10 goes down low-150hz, which the n3 cant do.
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #24 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 10:43 AM »
Can someone pm me a ballpark price range .. thanks

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #25 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 05:25 PM »
anong specs ng neo 10 lowest frequency and highest frequency na kaya ?


sir, i believe the n10 goes down low-150hz, which the n3 cant do.

Yup ... but at 85db only, not 93db ... this might be a design challenge ...

http://catalogs.infocommiq.com/AVCat/images/documents/pdfs/NEO-10%20Data%20Sheet.pdf

Surprisingly, it is 8 ohms (?) - 1 kg of metals  :D

I need 4 for my SB501 mid replacement (kung 4ohms each)!  :o

1. pabili -  10pcs
2. dana -  2pcs tentative until price is disclose
3. stipen22 - 2pcs same as dana but definitely want a pair of this if budget permits
4. tony- 2pcs...
5. aHobbit - 4 pcs
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #26 on: Apr 09, 2008 at 06:04 PM »
For more info about the Neo 10, I've found a pdf spec sheet here: http://catalogs.infocommiq.com/AVCat/images/documents/pdfs/NEO-10%20Data%20Sheet.pdf

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #27 on: Apr 10, 2008 at 09:25 AM »
Further, re Neo10 freq performance

... the pdf specs is based on open (dipole) driver performance (without a box). As it is, considering +/-3db deviation, Neo10 is considered at 700Hz-2.4KHz (almost).

But as pointed out in discussion, giving it a 2-liter volume (3'inch back box) will boost 300Hz-up output - probaby within +/-3db of 92db average, probably making usable freq from 300-2.4KHz (probably reason why Z92 still maintain cut-off at 2.4khz between N3 and N10). Take note that at this design, the below 300Hz will have a steep roll-off already (hardly usable).

Since this is DIY, and the proof of performance is in listening, we can still be a little forgiving on deviation. So if we consider +/-4db deviation, it is possible to really extend the freq response from 300-5.5K hz. In the mid range, this is a very good range.

In my book, the magic of any speaker is in the mid range. Thus, in many high-end design of vintage speakers, the choice of mid driver and the cross-over freq is seriously considered. In my my SB501, this is set at 500-5K hz. To me and my bro, the high and the low are icing on the cake, to enhance the palatability of the whole sound.

However, Neo10 should not be mounted on a baffle with its back open to the volume where the woofer also utilize the volume of air inside. Physics 101 tells me it might be damage by the excursion caused by woofer excursion.

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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #28 on: Apr 10, 2008 at 09:47 AM »
Further, re Neo10 freq performance

... the pdf specs is based on open (dipole) driver performance (without a box). As it is, considering +/-3db deviation, Neo10 is considered at 700Hz-2.4KHz (almost).

But as pointed out in discussion, giving it a 2-liter volume (3'inch back box) will boost 300Hz-up output - probaby within +/-3db of 92db average, probably making usable freq from 300-2.4KHz (probably reason why Z92 still maintain cut-off at 2.4khz between N3 and N10). Take note that at this design, the below 300Hz will have a steep roll-off already (hardly usable).

Since this is DIY, and the proof of performance is in listening, we can still be a little forgiving on deviation. So if we consider +/-4db deviation, it is possible to really extend the freq response from 300-5.5K hz. In the mid range, this is a very good range.

In my book, the magic of any speaker is in the mid range. Thus, in many high-end design of vintage speakers, the choice of mid driver and the cross-over freq is seriously considered. In my my SB501, this is set at 500-5K hz. To me and my bro, the high and the low are icing on the cake, to enhance the palatability of the whole sound.

However, Neo10 should not be mounted on a baffle with its back open to the volume where the woofer also utilize the volume of air inside. Physics 101 tells me it might be damage by the excursion caused by woofer excursion.




tnx for d info, exactly what sir eestrera suggested to me, may divider between nexs & woofers ;D

as the britz sez when praising speakers reviewed - "mids to die for" ;D
 
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Re: NEX10 Group Buy
« Reply #29 on: Apr 10, 2008 at 09:49 AM »
Can someone pm me a ballpark price range .. thanks

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