Author Topic: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines (Read 85050 times)

Klaus Weasley · « **Reply #1290 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 07:17 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 22, 2015 at 01:07 PM

It is difficult to argue there is no God due to evidence that the Son of God existed.

No, there isn't.

There is evidence to suggest someone named Jesus who may have claimed to be the Son of God existed 2,000 years ago according to an ancient manuscript primarily written by people who were taking dictation from illiterate people which in turn was translated and retranslated by people who have their own agenda.

As for whether the Virgin Birth, Resurrection or miracles happened, there is zero scientific evidence of those. There are lots of gods and prophets throughout history who have similar stories, some people say Christianity usurped these stories for their own.

I do think religious dogma is there to control people, to keep them tame for the powerful to manipulate them for their own selfish needs. How better to control people than to keep them hoping for an afterlife if their lives are miserable whilst making them all screwed up on the head by making them feel guilty about their sexuality?

leomarley · « **Reply #1291 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 07:56 PM »

actually, since si rascal ang nagke-claim na may God then the burden of proof lies with him.

leomarley · « **Reply #1292 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 08:01 PM »

Quote from: ninjababez® on Feb 22, 2015 at 06:31 PM

OMG religion trolls

rascal101 · « **Reply #1293 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 08:59 PM »

Tignan mo nga naman magsalita. Sabi ko nga at uulitin ko may hangganan lahat. Dun kayo sa presinto magpaliwanag.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1294 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 09:00 PM »

Dun niyo ipakita yun mga natutunan niyo.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1295 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 09:25 PM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 22, 2015 at 07:56 PM

actually, since si rascal ang nagke-claim na may God then the burden of proof lies with him.

Magsalita ka nga ng maayos - sa wikang ingles o tagalog, huwag iyung halu halo. Tsaka iayos mo salita mo. Huwag natin idinadagdag mga maselang parte ng katawan natin. Tutal kinakausap ko kayo ng maayos.

leomarley · « **Reply #1296 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 09:34 PM »

rascal101 · « **Reply #1297 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 09:48 PM »

Bakit may beer iyung pinakita mong litrato? Halu halo type mo hindi ba?

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #1298 on:** Feb 22, 2015 at 10:04 PM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 22, 2015 at 12:28 PM

Now I'm not against people who are into religion but since you keep on insisting your belief on others who chose not to believe I'll oblige you. I'm an agnostic and unlike most people, I don't believe in any form of religion and I don't believe that faith is a personal choice as most religious people put it because in the first place our parents and/or society force it upon us. Were you given a choice on what to believe? No. So how can you say that your God is the one true God when you were indoctrinated into believing and following a religion as a child in the first place?

You are right! Sometimes, it start with the parents. And even if the so called "religion" comes from the parents, paglaki mo, you have a personal choice to follow the faith or not. Just like Klaus, who opted not to follow his parents. But if you chose to follow, you must develop a relationship with your creator.

Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Feb 22, 2015 at 07:17 PM

There is evidence to suggest someone named Jesus who may have claimed to be the Son of God existed 2,000 years ago according to an ancient manuscript primarily written by people who were taking dictation from illiterate people which in turn was translated and retranslated by people who have their own agenda.

Thank you for confirming this. And even if you read the Koran, Jesus was also there proving he really existed. But more than that, both the Bible and Koran stated that Jesus was a perfect individual, sinless.

Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Feb 22, 2015 at 07:17 PM

I do think religious dogma is there to control people, to keep them tame for the powerful to manipulate them for their own selfish needs. How better to control people than to keep them hoping for an afterlife if their lives are miserable whilst making them all screwed up on the head by making them feel guilty about their sexuality?

I also agree with you that the rules can be controlling to the people. But still, we all believe in free will so it's up to the people if they would follow or not. Same with the government, we have a set of rules in which we abide to. And i also believe that the rules are there to establish order. So if there is someone who finds his life miserable and screwed up because of their faith, then either he needs to dig deeper to find out the reasons why such rules exist or like i said earlier, he can opt not follow.

dpogs · « **Reply #1299 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 12:01 AM »

You may get your religion because of your parents but salvation is always personal...

Quote from: Klaus Weasley on Feb 22, 2015 at 07:17 PM

I do think religious dogma is there to control people, to keep them tame for the powerful to manipulate them for their own selfish needs. How better to control people than to keep them hoping for an afterlife if their lives are miserable whilst making them all screwed up on the head by making them feel guilty about their sexuality?

"religious dogma"... any religion should have at least few or more laws/dogma for their members... just like any government tulad nga ng sinabi ni sir nelson...

kung hindi mo gusto ang law/dogma ng isang religion then umalis ka sa religion na yan... kung hindi mo gusto ang batas ng isang government better umalis ka na rin... the law is there to protect us and to maintain peace and order... for me it s always - God's law first before any other law...

rascal101 · « **Reply #1300 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 06:29 AM »

Yun na nga eh pinagpipilitan nila na iginigiit sa kanila ang Relihiyon ngunit malaya naman sila. Tapos kung magsalita pa eh bastos. Isipin na lang natin na hindi nila kayang lumaban ng patas. Kung baga sa suntukan pati paa kasali. Iyun ba ang dehado o dumedehado?

rascal101 · « **Reply #1301 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 06:32 AM »

Magsalita kayo ng marangal dahil sinasagot kayo ng marangal pakiusap lang.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1302 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 08:30 AM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 22, 2015 at 06:23 PM

Do you mean you came into your religion at your own volition? Your parents had nothing to do with it?

Ipagpaumanhin po ninyo at hindi ko kayo masasagot sa wikang Ingles kasi nasimulan ko ang wikang Tagalog sa una kong pananalita.

Sa katanungan mo, hindi "indoctrination" ang nangyari. Pagpapaliwanag sa tamang daan ang nangyari.

Ako naman magtatanong, marunong ka bang umintindi ng salitang Tagalog? Sa laban ng suntukan naiintindihan mo ba na ang sandatang ginagamit ay mga kamao o "fists" sa wikang ingles? Ang salitang "sandata" naintindihan mo ba?

leomarley · « **Reply #1303 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 01:13 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 23, 2015 at 08:30 AM

Ipagpaumanhin po ninyo at hindi ko kayo masasagot sa wikang Ingles kasi nasimulan ko ang wikang Tagalog sa una kong pananalita.

Sa katanungan mo, hindi "indoctrination" ang nangyari. Pagpapaliwanag sa tamang daan ang nangyari.

indoctrination: to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs

so hindi pala indoctrination yun. ok.

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 23, 2015 at 08:30 AM

Ako naman magtatanong, marunong ka bang umintindi ng salitang Tagalog? Sa laban ng suntukan naiintindihan mo ba na ang sandatang ginagamit ay mga kamao o "fists" sa wikang ingles? Ang salitang "sandata" naintindihan mo ba?

fredreadrick · « **Reply #1304 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 01:21 PM »

commercial break $:-\$

Quote

"Who's Clarice?"
"Agent Starling, Paul, if you can't keep up with the conversation, better not try to join in at all."

rascal101 · « **Reply #1305 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 01:30 PM »

"Putting words into someone elses mouth" - bumenta na iyan. Magsalita ka na lang ng tagalog para masabi mong Pilipino ka na nagmamahal sa sarili mong wika.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1306 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 01:31 PM »

Commercial break - paano nga ba sabihin iyan sa wikang Tagalog?

rascal101 · « **Reply #1307 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 01:37 PM »

Sino nga ba dito hindi nakikinig - ako nga pala iyun hehehe. Ayan masaya ka na? Tinanggap ko na iyung ayaw mong tanggapin.

leomarley · « **Reply #1308 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 01:46 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 23, 2015 at 01:30 PM

"Putting words into someone elses mouth" - bumenta na iyan. Magsalita ka na lang ng tagalog para masabi mong Pilipino ka na nagmamahal sa sarili mong wika.

ikaw pala mahilig sa halo-halo lol.

sorry, pero di ko mai-connect ang pinagsasasabi mo regarding sa tagalog-ingles sa pinag-uusapan.

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #1309 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 02:22 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 23, 2015 at 01:31 PM

Commercial break - paano nga ba sabihin iyan sa wikang Tagalog?

Patalastas.

dpogs · « **Reply #1310 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 02:29 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 23, 2015 at 01:31 PM

Commercial break - paano nga ba sabihin iyan sa wikang Tagalog?

literal: nabasag na komersiyal

bumblebee · « **Reply #1311 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 02:39 PM »

Quote from: dpogs on Feb 23, 2015 at 02:29 PM

literal: nabasag na komersiyal

Broken commercial yan e.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1312 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 02:55 PM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 23, 2015 at 01:46 PM

ikaw pala mahilig sa halo-halo lol.

sorry, pero di ko mai-connect ang pinagsasasabi mo regarding sa tagalog-ingles sa pinag-uusapan.

Pinagsama ang ingles at tagalog na hindi gumagamit ng "", Taglish kong tawagin. Uso daw sa mga sosyal iyun eh.

O ayan na naman "mai-connect". Sa tagalog puwede mong gamitin ang salitang maipagdugtong o kaya naman ay "mai-connect". Marunong ka rin pala mag tagalog kahit paano.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1313 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 03:00 PM »

@leomarley

Napansin ko lang hilig mo gumamit ng ... kung baga sa wikang ingles ay "comment boxes", okay iyan.

Paano ba iyan naipasunod kita sa pagsasalita ng tagalog eh di pupuntos ako. Pasensya na ha pero isa kontra wala o "1-0"

rascal101 · « **Reply #1314 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 03:08 PM »

Quote from: dpogs on Feb 23, 2015 at 02:29 PM

literal: nabasag na komersiyal

Nagpapatawa ka ba Sir?

leomarley · « **Reply #1315 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 04:01 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 23, 2015 at 03:00 PM

@leomarley

Napansin ko lang hilig mo gumamit ng ... kung baga sa wikang ingles ay "comment boxes", okay iyan.

Paano ba iyan naipasunod kita sa pagsasalita ng tagalog eh di pupuntos ako. Pasensya na ha pero isa kontra wala o "1-0"

sige sir maglaro ka lang dyan. lol

dpogs · « **Reply #1316 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 05:39 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Feb 23, 2015 at 03:08 PM

Nagpapatawa ka ba Sir?

patalastas lang... tama naman un "patalastas"... binigyan lang kita ng literal na transition na mali pala ako sa naibigay ko ayon kay sir bumblebee...

Quote from: bumblebee on Feb 23, 2015 at 02:39 PM

Broken commercial yan e.

rascal101 · « **Reply #1317 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 06:02 PM »

Quote from: leomarley on Feb 23, 2015 at 04:01 PM

sige sir maglaro ka lang dyan. lol

Antay kita mapikon eh para iskor ulit ako.

Absurdist · « **Reply #1318 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 06:04 PM »

Mga pare pwede sumali? Kita kayo sa google e.

Quote from: dpogs on Feb 03, 2015 at 09:10 AM

emphaty - no place in the process of evolution

Hm. Parang tournament sa DotA ang evolution. Tapos tayong mga tao ay weak na mga heroes. Tanggal agad tayo sa kompetisyon kung di natin tratratuhin nang matino mga teammates natin.
Try mo i-solo ang isang oso o leon. Syempre mas mababa chance na manalo ka kung mag-isa ka lang. (Bawal kanyunin yung oso syempre. Lokohan na yun.)

Tsaka "survival of the fittest"? Di "by individual" ang survival of the fittest. Superman ka nga e wala ka naman asawa, pano mo mapapasa genes mo nun.. By group yun.
Tignan mo ginagawa natin sa ibang mga hayop. Para bang ininiyakan ni aling tindera bawat katay na baboy na binebenta nya sa palengke a.. Ilang gubat na ba inagaw natin sa ibang mga hayop.. Yun survival of the fittest.

Kung explanation gamit evolution edi:
"Mga weakling dapat may empathy para magtulungan. At syempre, di applicable** ang empathy na yun sa ibang species."

**baka sabihin mo mga pusa o aso. Tuloy ko na lang next post kung gusto pa.

dodie · « **Reply #1319 on:** Feb 23, 2015 at 06:12 PM »

chief, na google din ako pero din naman lumabas yung discussion dito sa forum ah!

isipin mo boss, mababasa mo naman kht guest lang nag register ka pa para maka sali sa discussion, ang haba pa ng nabackread mo...bka pagdudahan ka na pseudo account yan?